Compilation of Manufacture Information for MTG Sealed Products. PART 1: BOOSTERS. 26 March, 2024.
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And an add on thought.
I don't think the cards that come to Korea are packaged in China. I'll check again but I don't remember seeing that on any of the boxes.
The "dice made in China" probably results in the dice being shipped to CM or to the US for including in the prerelease boxes.
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I don't think the cards that come to Korea are packaged in China. I'll check again but I don't remember seeing that on any of the boxes.
The "dice made in China" probably results in the dice being shipped to CM or to the US for including in the prerelease boxes.
Gary
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Hi Garymystical_tutor wrote:And an add on thought.
I don't think the cards that come to Korea are packaged in China. I'll check again but I don't remember seeing that on any of the boxes.
The "dice made in China" probably results in the dice being shipped to CM or to the US for including in the prerelease boxes.
Gary
On the latest products, I don't collect any of those so I can't talk about them, I noticed different variations. Examples:
Mirrodin Besieged Event Deck
Printed and Assembled in USA (die made in China)
I do believe that the die is fabricated in China, then send to the US to be added.
From the Vault: Dragons Boxset (August 2008)
Printed and Assembled in China: English
Cards printed in the USA: English
From the Vault: Annihilation Boxset (August 2014)
Made in China: English
Cards printed in the USA: English
Theros Prerelease Pack
MADE IN USA, DIE MANUFACTURED IN CHINA: Path of Honor English
So, China is involved in Printing, Assembling, Manufacturing.
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dragsamou wrote:I got another dose of the same complaint this year as I have gotten for the last two years.
Belgium printed Korean stuff is crap. Poor quality packaging and product to include foil cards that don't hold up.
I can not verify anything about the foil cards but the packaging is obvious to anyone that sets them side by side with US packaged stuff.
Gary
Just for clarification.dragsamou wrote:Point is that more and more packaging and assembling are Made in China, while the cards are printed either in Belgium or in the US. Now, on a general level and due to the huge amount of cards printed compared to earlier sets, the quality level is maybe not as good as before. Misprints are not sent back anymore also, so for the Quality control cell of WOTC, they do an amazing job, as so few MTG cards or products are returned to them.
No Alexis that is not the point. My comment about what the Koreans are saying has nothing to do with China.
The Korean (players/shop personnel) are disgusted with Belgium Magic products and consider them inferior. They feel they are getting ripped off in some way and are insulted.
I am just relaying a message and adding a muse, in my second post, as to a possible reason.
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Hi Garymystical_tutor wrote: No Alexis that is not the point. My comment about what the Koreans are saying has nothing to do with China.
The Korean (players/shop personnel) are disgusted with Belgium Magic products and consider them inferior. They feel they are getting ripped off in some way and are insulted.
I am just relaying a message and adding a muse, in my second post, as to a possible reason.
Gary
I don't collect Korean cards or MTG Korean products, and as you know, my latest MTG products are from 2010. So, I guess, someone in Korea should contact WOTC/Hasbro to get only Made in US products. Reading a lot of forums, I heard that the latest products are of low qualty also even coming from the US and a lot of people are complaining.
mystical_tutor wrote:I still wonder, however, if the quality might be the result of a "second line" of product such as is done in other manufacturing processes. I know from experience that early on the Korean distributor did everything possible to reduce the cost of the product. Is it possible that CM might offer a lower price for a product where some corners are cut in the process? It only takes a very slight cost change to make a noticeable profit.dragsamou wrote: Hi Gary
Point is that more and more packaging and assembling are Made in China, while the cards are printed either in Belgium or in the US. Now, on a general level and due to the huge amount of cards printed compared to earlier sets, the quality level is maybe not as good as before. Misprints are not sent back anymore also, so for the Quality control cell of WOTC, they do an amazing job, as so few MTG cards or products are returned to them.
Just saying...
Gary
What do you mean with "corners cut in the process"?
And what is the exact error with the foils?
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Cutting corners.
Well, I'm only poising a muse here. Asking a question. You are aware that many top brands run "seconds" for sale in discount chains. I just wondered if CM might do the same.
Foils;
I was told, and noted above I can not verify it, that the foil is not as good of quality as the US foils and actually comes off.
Be advised, I don't speak Korean and the players complaining did not have a great command of English.
I have picked up several Korean foils (about 100) here and don't notice a lot of difference except that some seem to be "flatter" and that most do not cup like the ones at home do--which I like of course. Because these were in bulk I am unable to know if they were made in US or Belgium. I am only passing on what I heard (for the last 3 years).
Gary
Well, I'm only poising a muse here. Asking a question. You are aware that many top brands run "seconds" for sale in discount chains. I just wondered if CM might do the same.
Foils;
I was told, and noted above I can not verify it, that the foil is not as good of quality as the US foils and actually comes off.
Be advised, I don't speak Korean and the players complaining did not have a great command of English.
I have picked up several Korean foils (about 100) here and don't notice a lot of difference except that some seem to be "flatter" and that most do not cup like the ones at home do--which I like of course. Because these were in bulk I am unable to know if they were made in US or Belgium. I am only passing on what I heard (for the last 3 years).
Gary
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useful link
There's now a good link for this kind of information at the mothership http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/p ... et-archive. Click on the sets, to get information about what languages are available. Not all sets are clickable unfortunately, but for those that do have a link, the language information seems ok. It doesn't include manufacturing location, but that is secondary to my mind.
Re: useful link
Hianselan wrote:There's now a good link for this kind of information at the mothership http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/p ... et-archive. Click on the sets, to get information about what languages are available. Not all sets are clickable unfortunately, but for those that do have a link, the language information seems ok. It doesn't include manufacturing location, but that is secondary to my mind.
If the job was done correctly, for the last 15 years, I will not have spent thousands of hours, looking for precised info with the help of members, doing the job of WOTC. Let's take an example:
PORTAL
Languages: English, Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Spanish
Oops, it doesn't exist in Portuguese. The list of wrong info in the Archives Set, is way too long to mention.
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This link gives me an "error 404" page not found. I have had that happen sometimes when trying to link from Korea so it may be cured when I return to the US.anselan wrote:There's now a good link for this kind of information at the mothership http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/p ... et-archive. Click on the sets, to get information about what languages are available. Not all sets are clickable unfortunately, but for those that do have a link, the language information seems ok. It doesn't include manufacturing location, but that is secondary to my mind.
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I have persued this a bit more and will add what I have found.Neuron wrote: What do you mean with "corners cut in the process"?
And what is the exact error with the foils?
Booster Product manufacturer changed before and after RTR. RTR was done in the US with booster boxes made the same way and of the same material as US distribution. Innistrad block and blocks after RTR and (I think M-12) were printed and packaged in Belgium. The box material is of a distinctly inferior quality. These boxes are also of a different "folding" design, more like boxes from the old days--AN,AQ,etc and may represent the CM box making method. They are very flimsey and literally fall apart when used to store cards in if not carefully handled.
1) poor material in boxes (dull gray--looks recycled--like pasteboard)
2) poor box design.
= a perception that everything about the Korean product is of lower quality. These stores all carry other languages which have higher quality packaging and are side by side on the shelf.
I doubt this is a WotC or CM decision. My bet would be that the Korean distributor specifically contracts for lower cost materials--and blames WotC for it.
I have seen other languages available in US stores. It seems the boxes are of the same quality as US boxes--but I have not been able to verify it as shop owners seem to get very nervous when you start writing down numbers and info. In the US these products are ordered from US distributors by the LGS. Where they get them is assumed WotC. They could be a different line/packaging than what CM or US ships overseas--doesn't seem reasonable though.
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Re: Compilation of Manufacture Information for MTG Products
Japanese Magic Origins made in Japan
Russian Magic Origins made in Belgium
Stores in the USA can sometimes get a couple foreign language booster boxes (with restrictions).
A USA based store owner has told me that his Chinese Dragons of Tarkir booster boxes were canceled from his pre-order via a phone call, with the explanation being a port strike on the USA west coast.
This would imply that those Chinese Dragons of Tarkir boxes were not made in the USA.
(Perhaps they were made in Japan?)
Tav
Russian Magic Origins made in Belgium
Stores in the USA can sometimes get a couple foreign language booster boxes (with restrictions).
A USA based store owner has told me that his Chinese Dragons of Tarkir booster boxes were canceled from his pre-order via a phone call, with the explanation being a port strike on the USA west coast.
This would imply that those Chinese Dragons of Tarkir boxes were not made in the USA.
(Perhaps they were made in Japan?)
Tav
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Hi Tavcataclysm80 wrote: A USA based store owner has told me that his Chinese Dragons of Tarkir booster boxes were canceled from his pre-order via a phone call, with the explanation being a port strike on the USA west coast.
This would imply that those Chinese Dragons of Tarkir boxes were not made in the USA.
(Perhaps they were made in Japan?)
Tav
Dragons of Tarkir exist in Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese, it will be interesting to find out where they were made. It can be also Made in Belgium.
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Re: Compilation of Manufacture Information for MTG Products
Khans of Tarkir
Made in Belgium: Portuguese
Dragons of Tarkir:
Made in Belgium: Portuguese
Battle for Zendikar:
Made in USA: Portuguese
This is actually worth talking about! I've heard that Portuguese is no longer available to stores in Europe, which means it is only being sold in Brazil now. With that decision in now makes sense for WotC to print this language in USA instead of Belgium. WotC has always made a limited amount of foreign language product printed in the USA available to stores in the USA, does this mean US retailers can now order boxes in Portuguese? This would be amazing if true. Can anyone confirm this?
Made in Belgium: Portuguese
Dragons of Tarkir:
Made in Belgium: Portuguese
Battle for Zendikar:
Made in USA: Portuguese
This is actually worth talking about! I've heard that Portuguese is no longer available to stores in Europe, which means it is only being sold in Brazil now. With that decision in now makes sense for WotC to print this language in USA instead of Belgium. WotC has always made a limited amount of foreign language product printed in the USA available to stores in the USA, does this mean US retailers can now order boxes in Portuguese? This would be amazing if true. Can anyone confirm this?
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I've also heard that Portuguese is only for the Brazil market.
Tav
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There was not an official announcement on Wizards.com ? I do remember that back in the years talking with some MTG shops some Portuguese products while printed in Belgium were sent first to Brazil then shipped to Portugal. So according to this post, now cards are printed in the US, sent to Brazil, and if Portuguese European players want cards, they need to order them from Brazil, let's see if I can get an answer from a MTG shop based in Lisbon.
There was not an official announcement on Wizards.com ? I do remember that back in the years talking with some MTG shops some Portuguese products while printed in Belgium were sent first to Brazil then shipped to Portugal. So according to this post, now cards are printed in the US, sent to Brazil, and if Portuguese European players want cards, they need to order them from Brazil, let's see if I can get an answer from a MTG shop based in Lisbon.
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