A Misprint collectors worst nightmare came true VOL. II
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A Misprint collectors worst nightmare came true VOL. II
I dont know, if they have some marketing guy at WotC, who plans to distribute the most weird misprints always on mythic foils, to make us collectors have more fun..... But its a fact, they lately always mess up the most expensive cards somehow. Recently we had the topic with M15 s-chinese foil planeswalkers, now this.
I recently encountered, all M15 Spanish FOIL only Planeswalkers are different in their art. You can call them misprint, or alternate Art, or framed and cut off. I dont know yet how to classify this. Maybe they just printed all the layers in the wrong order ? Since all other language versions have identical foil and non foil versions, i suppose the spanish foils are wrong. Look yourself:
I recently encountered, all M15 Spanish FOIL only Planeswalkers are different in their art. You can call them misprint, or alternate Art, or framed and cut off. I dont know yet how to classify this. Maybe they just printed all the layers in the wrong order ? Since all other language versions have identical foil and non foil versions, i suppose the spanish foils are wrong. Look yourself:
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I think this could be true. To my mind, these are way too blatant to slip through the quality control.I dont know, if they have some marketing guy at WotC, who plans to distribute the most weird misprints always on mythic foils, to make us collectors have more fun..... But its a fact, they lately always mess up the most expensive cards somehow. Recently we had the topic with M15 s-chinese foil planeswalkers, now this.
This would go well with something Wizards wrote some time ago (don't know anymore where). It was about general set design, they wanted to include cards for every group of the community; tournament players, casual players, Timmy, Johny, Spike and all that, why not also for particular groups of collectors?
Re: A Misprint collectors worst nightmare came true VOL. II
Himmgun wrote: I recently encountered, all M15 Spanish FOIL only Planeswalkers are different in ther art. You can call them misprint, or alternate Art, or framed and cut off. I dont know yet how to classify this. Maybe they just printed all the layers in the wrong order ? Since all other language versions have identical foil and non foil versions, i suppose the spanish foils are wrong.
I will call them Spanish Foil Extended Art.
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I doubt that this is an intentional effort to "provide" something for collectors. The error is probably not that blatant to a normal staff member. Collectors, over the years have noticed a considerable number of card variations that no normal editor of QC person would ever notice.Neuron wrote:I think this could be true. To my mind, these are way too blatant to slip through the quality control.I dont know, if they have some marketing guy at WotC, who plans to distribute the most weird misprints always on mythic foils, to make us collectors have more fun..... But its a fact, they lately always mess up the most expensive cards somehow. Recently we had the topic with M15 s-chinese foil planeswalkers, now this.
This would go well with something Wizards wrote some time ago (don't know anymore where). It was about general set design, they wanted to include cards for every group of the community; tournament players, casual players, Timmy, Johny, Spike and all that, why not also for particular groups of collectors?
In addition, it may well have been noticed and released anyway depending where the production process was at the time and what the suspense date was. In normal production it certainly is nothing to get real excited about--hay, it plays just like it should. Plus if the person proofing it is just doing that one language they may not even know it is an overlap or whatever.
Just my .02
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Question: why would Wizards do the layout of the cards for each language? wouldn't it be easier to just set them up all at one time, then just do overlays for each language? I don't work in a print job, but it sounds to me like this is just extra work and makes the process more prone to errors such as the Chinese and Spanish foil errors.
additional thought: have you looked at any of the other languages (German, Italian, Russian, etc) to be sure they aren't misprinted in some way too?
additional thought: have you looked at any of the other languages (German, Italian, Russian, etc) to be sure they aren't misprinted in some way too?
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I would hope things have changed but back in the time of Ursa bloc WotC was not doing any translating. Local countries did it (thus some of the stupid things that happened to Korean cards). I think that was then made into a plate that overlayed the pictures. Think about it though. The guy overlaying the language sheet may not even know what the picture should be--or care all that much. If this is a different print run in the process it may never be noticed by workers and again, at a point in the run timing will determine if it is accepted or not--regardless of what may be on it.... LOL.
My wonder is: Which country were the Spanish ones printed in and what other languages were printed there and do the pictures compare?
This is all speculation of course, and kinda fun, without the knowledge of the printers' mechanics it is just musing in our cups.
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My wonder is: Which country were the Spanish ones printed in and what other languages were printed there and do the pictures compare?
This is all speculation of course, and kinda fun, without the knowledge of the printers' mechanics it is just musing in our cups.
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That would be my first guess but I have seen so many different things that I'm kinda confused as to what is done where.palaueb wrote:I think is belgium, with all the european ones.
In Korea I have seen Korean product From Belgium and from the US at the same dealer.
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When I wrote it, I had that article in mind:mystical_tutor wrote:I doubt that this is an intentional effort to "provide" something for collectors. The error is probably not that blatant to a normal staff member. Collectors, over the years have noticed a considerable number of card variations that no normal editor of QC person would ever notice.Neuron wrote:I think this could be true. To my mind, these are way too blatant to slip through the quality control.I dont know, if they have some marketing guy at WotC, who plans to distribute the most weird misprints always on mythic foils, to make us collectors have more fun..... But its a fact, they lately always mess up the most expensive cards somehow. Recently we had the topic with M15 s-chinese foil planeswalkers, now this.
This would go well with something Wizards wrote some time ago (don't know anymore where). It was about general set design, they wanted to include cards for every group of the community; tournament players, casual players, Timmy, Johny, Spike and all that, why not also for particular groups of collectors?
In addition, it may well have been noticed and released anyway depending where the production process was at the time and what the suspense date was. In normal production it certainly is nothing to get real excited about--hay, it plays just like it should. Plus if the person proofing it is just doing that one language they may not even know it is an overlap or whatever.
Just my .02
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http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazi ... eature/174
With so many people, and especially David, at least to me it seemed quite unlikely to have that blatant misprints. But maybe the situation at Wizards is another now than it was three years ago.Proofing
Once the printer has the files, they print a test sheet of the card file and send it to Wizards of the Coast for proofing and approval. A team of proofers gets to work quickly making sure that the card files are correct and the card colors look good. These folks are amazing—they look over every card to make sure that it looks exactly how we want it to.
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I've seen David catch errors that couldn't even be seen by most humans without the aid of a jeweler's loupe. The number of mistakes on Magic cards of all languages has gone way down since David began working at Wizards of the Coast.
All Other languages are correct picturewise.Alien_Starfighter_Pilot wrote:
additional thought: have you looked at any of the other languages (German, Italian, Russian, etc) to be sure they aren't misprinted in some way too?
Korean Nissa Worldwaker has two huge translation errors:
First Ability: Makes land to 4/4 trample Creatures UNTIL END OF TURN
Third Ability: Lands come into play TAPPED
Re: A Misprint collectors worst nightmare came true VOL. II
dragsamou wrote:Himmgun wrote: I recently encountered, all M15 Spanish FOIL only Planeswalkers are different in ther art. You can call them misprint, or alternate Art, or framed and cut off. I dont know yet how to classify this. Maybe they just printed all the layers in the wrong order ? Since all other language versions have identical foil and non foil versions, i suppose the spanish foils are wrong.
I will call them Spanish Foil Extended Art.
"Extended" might be misleading here, since the wrong art is not extended, but cut off. ( The foil cards are the wrong ones, the non-foil cards with their extended art ( picture overlaps the cardframe) are correct)
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If they did have somone on staff considering collectors of misprints I'm sure they wouldn't intentionally inject them into the process. If the community ever found out about something like that it could potentially result in all of us just not giving a damn anymore about these types of print variations and having less fatih in WoTC in general.Neuron wrote:I think this could be true. To my mind, these are way too blatant to slip through the quality control.I dont know, if they have some marketing guy at WotC, who plans to distribute the most weird misprints always on mythic foils, to make us collectors have more fun..... But its a fact, they lately always mess up the most expensive cards somehow. Recently we had the topic with M15 s-chinese foil planeswalkers, now this.
This would go well with something Wizards wrote some time ago (don't know anymore where). It was about general set design, they wanted to include cards for every group of the community; tournament players, casual players, Timmy, Johny, Spike and all that, why not also for particular groups of collectors?
I'm not savy to the file management or exact printing process, but it appears that plainswalkers are the most complex type of card to produce, in regards to correct layer ordering, text management, etc. With more a complicated process you just have more spots in the pipeline where something can go wrong.
Re: A Misprint collectors worst nightmare came true VOL. II
As you probably know, my Normal Collection stops at Exodus, so M15, it's like traveling on Uranus for me....So reading again the first post, it's cropped not extended.mmgun wrote:dragsamou wrote:Himmgun wrote: I recently encountered, all M15 Spanish FOIL only Planeswalkers are different in ther art. You can call them misprint, or alternate Art, or framed and cut off. I dont know yet how to classify this. Maybe they just printed all the layers in the wrong order ? Since all other language versions have identical foil and non foil versions, i suppose the spanish foils are wrong.
I will call them Spanish Foil Extended Art.
"Extended" might be misleading here, since the wrong art is not extended, but cut off. ( The foil cards are the wrong ones, the non-foil cards with their extended art ( picture overlaps the cardframe) are correct)
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