How much summer magic exists?

willard507 · Post by **willard507** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:09 am

I am interested in how much summer magic exists. More specifically I am interested trying to get an estimate about how many of each card exists. How many of each rare, uncommon, common, and basic land (each individual picture) there are in existence? I have tried to find an answer in these forums and i saw a couple of estimates about rares. I would also like to know where the numbers you come up with are from or if they are just guesses.

Thanks in advance and as this is my first post on this forum I want to say thanks to all the members and admin for creating such a collectors resource.

Magic61983 · Post by **Magic61983** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:30 am

The estimates you've seen have come from how may we've all seen for sale as well has how many confirmed sets are out there. Currently there are 3 confirmed sets in existence and a member is extremely close to finishing the 4th I believe. So at a minimum there are 4 of every rare. Taking this into consideration and all the Summer cards that have come up on eBay in the past 4 years you get an understanding of what else is out there. As to how many truly exist none of us will ever know. Wizards I'm not even sure knows how many Summer edition cards exist. My guess is there's roughly 15-20 of each rare give or take a 5 because of all the unopened product that was destroyed. Uncommons roughly 2x-3x the rares my reasoning behind this is because some packs had lands in the place of uncommons, commons 7x the rares because of the lands being added in with them and lands are probably 3x-4x on there own because of the above comments.

This is by no means confirmed it's just my thoughts and I may be wrong in my estimations but honestly there's no way to figure this out because there are so many Summer cards that were thrown away and there's just a ton of collectors out there with these cards and they haven't surfaced.

Worth · Post by **Worth** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:35 am

I think Magic61983 is about dead on, mayyyyybe a tiny bit on the low side.

I would have said 25 rares, 2-3x UNC, etc...

willard507 · Post by **willard507** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:56 am

I found this in the archive here http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/p ... te&p=40183

Madness Games wrote: print run

Several years ago I came up with this from various sources around the hobby...

assuming 35 booster boxes
rares --- 10 of each
uncommons --- 30 of each
commons --- 110 of each
basic lands --- 150 of each picture

I believe these numbers to be too low. I have had three seperate hurricanes over the past six years. I have seen three MIllstones owned by the same guy!

This is my best guess...

40-50 boxes (all booster boxes---this is 100% confirmed from sources at WotC to me personally)

rares --- 10-20 of each (depending on colation)
uncommons --- 30-50 of each
commons --- 110-170 of each
basic lands --- 175-225 of each picture

This is all very difficult to pin down because of the way the box colation occurs. Even if we knew for absolute fact that there were exactly say 41 boxes, it still would only be a guess as to the specific card counts on this small of a number of boxes.

Also, I know of one person that possesses a sealed box. I cannot say who or how, but it is out there and will most likely never appear out on the market for any price.

pp · Post by pp » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:18 pm

There also some 'junk diving' rumors going around.

The (at that time) better rares/uncommons may be less rare because employees rescued them from the shredder.

shaselai1 · Post by **shaselai1** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:12 pm

one of the guys who goes to the store here says he knows a lawyer friend who owns 2 sets of this maybe ~10 years back(he is filthy filthy rich)... is there someone with 2 sets or he *could* have 2 but not in record? Supposedly this guy play magic frequently since he doesnt work and is filthy filthy rich...

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:22 pm

shaselai1 wrote:one of the guys who goes to the store here says he knows a lawyer friend who owns 2 sets of this maybe ~10 years back(he is filthy filthy rich)... is there someone with 2 sets or he *could* have 2 but not in record? Supposedly this guy play magic frequently since he doesnt work and is filthy filthy rich...

Anything is possible, but I find this very unlikely without someone in this community knowing about it.

Magic61983 · Post by **Magic61983** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:03 pm

l0qii wrote:
shaselai1 wrote:one of the guys who goes to the store here says he knows a lawyer friend who owns 2 sets of this maybe ~10 years back(he is filthy filthy rich)... is there someone with 2 sets or he *could* have 2 but not in record? Supposedly this guy play magic frequently since he doesnt work and is filthy filthy rich...
Anything is possible, but I find this very unlikely without someone in this community knowing about it.

I'm going to have to agree with l0qii on this one. A lot of people like to talk a lot of BS and it's extremely annoying. There's a lot of people out there that want to be the big shot but nobody's ever seen there collection. If you don't see it in a picture or in person you mine as well consider it a bunch of crap. Talk is talk until someone can back it up.

magic-belgium · Post by **magic-belgium** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:08 am

Besides, a big collector of MTG will not advertise everywhere about what he owns...

shaselai1 · Post by **shaselai1** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:51 pm

yeah... well apparently he inherited tons of money 100m+ from his dad and supposedly he was/is pretty tight with Starcity - he asks and he gets. if he has that kind of money a summer set or 2 is pretty insignificant especially like 10 years back heh

pp · Post by pp » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:55 pm

Collecting a summer set or certain other rarities is not only about money.

magic-belgium · Post by **magic-belgium** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:40 am

Well, a Summer set is definitely a question of money. Same for most of the rarities.

What else are you thinking about ?

Magic61983 · Post by **Magic61983** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:44 am

shaselai1 wrote:yeah... well apparently he inherited tons of money 100m+ from his dad and supposedly he was/is pretty tight with Starcity - he asks and he gets. if he has that kind of money a summer set or 2 is pretty insignificant especially like 10 years back heh

Even if he does have a ton of money just finding the cards is more then half the battle. You have to take into consideration the hardest summer cards to find are the junk rares like the laces. Then you have to take into consideration how many of them made there way to the trash can because it was such a terrible rare at the time. I have a funny feeling there's way more playable/iconic Summer cards out there like Serra, Hurricane, Shivan, Duals then there are Laces, Magical Hack, Blessing. Even on top of that there's a ton of people out there that don't know what they have. I've met people that think Alternate 4th is Summer edition so without valid evidence it's just talk.

pp · Post by pp » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:37 am

magic-belgium wrote:Well, a Summer set is definitely a question of money. Same for most of the rarities.

What else are you thinking about ?

Similar to Magic61983 I meant that money is not everything to get a rarity. You have to find who owns it and hope that he will sell it.

Just by putting a stack of money on the table does not mean that you will get what you want. Some rarities, like summer cards too, are in collectors hand and they often don't want to give them away, whatever you offer them.

Do you know somebody selling a summer set? Who has a summer set has enough money not to sell it :-p

magic-belgium · Post by **magic-belgium** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:04 am

Sure, unless you lose interest in MTG collecting.

So true, money is not everything. But it is the main thing to get rarities.

Someone told me that with money, you can get nearly everything, because some guys will search for you. I know a seller like this. He can get you rarities for all the money you have

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