StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sale

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by Allie » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 am

These 4th alt are definitely getting hot. Just had someone ask me to send them the picture of the back of one of my 4th cards listed on ebay. They also said "I’m looking specifically to make sets of 4th edition with an odd them to it, if you have more 4th cards common – rare tell me ."

Yup ... they are looking for alt 4th, but only want to pay 5 percent above the regular 4th price to get them.

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by fvzappa » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:45 am

Damn, been doing that for years!

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by squt » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:11 am

More evidence against their supposed rarity:  I just browsed through my 100 or-so extra 4th edition cards, and quickly spotted an alt 4th white knight and Black Vise.  They were very easy to spot with the A on the back.

I'm 99% sure I bought these cards in LA.

I'm not giving Ben any flack though - a lot of people write me about the value of their misprints, and I always say "It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it."  If he's selling alt 4th at high prices to people that really, really want it, that's capitalism - and good business.  I don't think any other online store is selling this set, so he's providing a service to rarities collectors.

If more people realize these are baiscally illegal counterfeits (and moderately common counterfeits at that) prices will eventually fall.  I do think that Starcity and others should re-evaluate their stated rarity though, especially in light of all of the evidence of their commonality.

By the way - over a year ago I bought about a dozen of these at passtimes in IL from a vendor at a pre-release.  I think I paid about $20-$30 for them, which at the time I thought was kind of a rip-off.  I wanted samples of them for my misprint collection.

One of the cards I bought back then was a black vise, so I have an extra now (in NM- shape) anyone can PM me for a trade!

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by GraueEminenz » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:19 am

... I don't think any other online store is selling this set, so he's providing a service to rarities collectors...
Wrong ;)
type2magic had them in stock and sell them on ebay now.
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by squt » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:03 am

Allright, now I'm irritated.

I recently finished collecting EVERY SET in English.  Only now I DON'T have every set, complete.  I flipped through my supposedly complete set of fourth edition, and found 10 MORE Alt 4th cards hiding in the binder (all 3 swamps!  Woo woo.).  That makes 12 out of the roughly 550 4th edition cards I own Alt 4th.  That's a pretty high ratio!

I am going to post what I found in the trade forum - I have no intention of trying for a set of these, so if anyone wants to trade them 1:1 for rarity, I'd be up for it.

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by GraueEminenz » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:27 am

Lets hear ...
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by sylvanstu » Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:46 am

i'd be interested squt
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by pp » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:20 pm

Hi folks,
from the 7 4th edition starters I bought at least 2 are alternate - i kept the packs. After looking through my collection on first view I have ~60 alternate cards w/o basic lands. For information, I'm living in south Germany.
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by GraueEminenz » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:48 pm

Willkommen, Patrick!
In Deutschland habe ich noch keine Alternate 4th Starter gefunden. Herzlichen Glückwunsch !
Würdest du eine Liste erstellen, von den Karten?
Oder willst du nicht tauschen?
Dank Dir
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Welcome Patrick!
I haven't found any Alternate 4th Starter in Germany yet.
Congratulations! Could you make a list of your Haves?
Or do you want to keep them?
Thank you
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by sylvanstu » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:04 pm

I bet you now that alot of us are putting alot more effort in to getting an alt 4th (4.5) set together it won't take very long to do it ;D
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by pp » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:06 pm

Willkommen, Patrick!
In Deutschland habe ich noch keine Alternate 4th Starter gefunden. Herzlichen Glückwunsch !
Würdest du eine Liste erstellen, von den Karten?
Oder willst du nicht tauschen?
Dank Dir
Hi Jan,
sorry I'm a little short in time now, if you want I'll do a list from them one day. I saw a Mahamoti, Timber wolves, Manabarbs and an Armageddon clock.
I bought these starters in Karlsruhe, maybe in 1997.
Greetings, Patrick

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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by GraueEminenz » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:13 pm

No problem ...
I'll have time, look at your inbox (right top)
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by TerraFrost » Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:17 pm

On an unrelated note, I'm collaborating with a respected member of this community to verify more numbers.  We are both making phone calls to people we know to try to get more information about Alternate 4th Edition - if this person wishes to post a comment on this thread, I would be more than happy if they would share their thoughts!
i have 102 alt. fourth (incl. 5 rares) and a booklet (fvzappa, i think, posted about how alt. fourth booklets glow under blacklights).  i don't know how many non-alt. fourth i have, but considering that i started collecting after fourth ed, and the person i got all my alt. fourth from started collecting about a month before fifth edition came out (and replaced all the packs the stores carried), i think it's safe to say that the ratio of alt-4th to normal 4th, amongst those whom i know in person, is fairly high.

of course, if there's a high demand for alt. 4th, i suppose that would explain the prices away.

that said, can i sell my cards to starcitygames for half of what they're selling 'em for?  i'd even take in-store credit! :)
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by pickle.69 » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:53 pm


Hi Jan,
sorry I'm a little short in time now, if you want I'll do a list from them one day. I saw a Mahamoti, Timber wolves, Manabarbs and an Armageddon clock.
I bought these starters in Karlsruhe, maybe in 1997.
Greetings, Patrick
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I am from Karlsruhe. Do you still live there? If the pp are your initials then we could even know each other ;D.

I up to now only found 4 rares and one uncommen card in the region but I only looked through 2 collections right now, and both did not buy a lot of staters I myselve only bought one to get the lands.
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Re: StarCityGames.com Offers Alt 4th cards for Sal

Post by pp » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:01 pm


Hi
I am from Karlsruhe. Do you still live there? If the pp are your initials then we could even know each other ;D.
Hehe, so trifft man sich wieder  [smiley=laugh.gif]

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