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Dragon collection

Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:58 am

Hey folks, not entirely sure where to post but here goes. I have been attempting to collect every single printed, legal, version of every singe dragon in the game. I'm doing fairly well, but I was wondering if I could get some help with my list.

In particular, at the moment I am trying to decide if the Japanese version of the Nalathni Dragon counts as separate from the English version. Both were apparently part of a special redemption program, but I cannot tell if it counts as two separate cards by my criteria.

My criteria and reasoning is as follows:
*Only tournament-legal cards(no interest in "world champion" or "Collectors edition" cards)
*Nationality is not important(WAAAAY too much effort to get one card in each language it was printed in, though I do go out of my way to put foreign-language cards in when I can, just don't count that as a different printing).
*Every time a card was printed, I count it(So each edition, reprint, time it was included in a new set, etc).
*Pre-release Stamped/Release Party cards are counted seperately from regular set cards
*Only collecting dragons and drakes(I think I'd go insane if I tried to also get every single printing of every single card that had a picture of a dragon, refereed to a dragon, or was somehow related to dragons. Not that I'm terribly attached to my sanity...)
*DON'T make the Shichifukujin Dragon joke at me(I've heard it too many times to be funny anymore.)

I'll post my entire list next.

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:00 am

This is the current master list in it's entirety:

Shivan Dragon Alpha Core 1993
Dragon Welp Alpha Core 1993
Shivan Dragon Beta Core 1993
Dragon Welp Beta Core 1993
Shivan Dragon Unlimited Core 1993
Dragon Welp Unlimited Core 1993
Shivan Dragon Revised Core 1994
Dragon Welp Revised Core 1994
Nicol Bolas Legends Early 1994
Palladia-Mors Legends Early 1994
Vaevictis Asmadi Legends Early 1994
Chromium Legends Early 1994
Arcades Sabboth Legends Early 1994
Elder Land Wurm Legends Early 1994
Nalathni Dragon Promo Misc 1994
Nicol Bolas Chronicles Misc 1995
Palladia-Mors Chronicles Misc 1995
Vaevictis Asmadi Chronicles Misc 1995
Chromium Chronicles Misc 1995
Arcadus Sabboth Chronicles Misc 1995
Elder Land Wurm 4th Edition Core 1995
Dragon Whelp 4th Edition Core 1995
Shivan Dragon 4th Edition Core 1995
Canopy Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Catacomb Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Crimson Hellkite Mirrage Mirage 1996
Mist Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Pearl Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Volcanic Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Teeka's Dragon Mirrage Mirage 1996
Nalathni Dragon Mirage Japanese Redemption 1996
Shivan Dragon 5th Edition Core 1997
Shivan Dragon 5th Edition Misprint Core 1997
Firestorm hellkite Visions Mirage 1997
Viashivan Dragon Visions Mirage 1997
Alabaster Dragon Weatherlight Mirrage 1997
Rathi Dragon Tempest Rath 1997
Exalted Dragon Exodus Rath 1998
Volcanic Dragon Portal Beginner 1997
Alabaster Dragon Portal Beginner 1997
Ebon Dragon Portal Beginner 1997
Cloud Dragon Portal Beginner 1997
Fire Dragon Portal Beginner 1997
Brimstone Dragon Portal: Second Age Beginner 1998
Thunder Dragon Starter Beginner 1999
Volcanic Dragon Starter Beginner 1999
Zodiac Dragon Portal: Three Kingdoms Beginner 1999
Lightning Dragon Pre-Release Stamped Artifact's Cycle 1998
Shivan Hellkite Urza's Saga Artifact's Cycle 1998
Lightning Dragon Urza's Saga Artifact's Cycle 1998
Covetous Dragon Urza's Destiny Artifact's Cycle 1999
Two-Headed Dragon Mercadian Masques Masques 1999
Henge Guardian Mercadian Masques Masques 1999
Crimson Hellkite Classic Sixth Edition Core 1999
Pearl Dragon Classic Sixth Edition Core 1999
Volcanic Dragon Classic Sixth Edition Core 1999
Shivan Dragon Beatdown Compilation 2000
Lotus Guardian Invasion Invasion 2000
Tek Invasion Invasion 2000
Darigaaz, the Igniter Invasion Invasion 2000
Dromar, the Banisher Invasion Invasion 2000
Crosis, the Purger Invasion Invasion 2000
Rith, the Awakener Invasion Invasion 2000
Treva, the Renewer Invasion Invasion 2000
Draco Planeshift Invasion 2001
Crimson Hellkite 7th Edition Core 2001
Shivan Dragon 7th Edition Coro Coro Promotion 2001
Vampiric Dragon Odyssey Odyssey 2001
Worlgorger Dragon Judgment Odyssey 2002
Fledgling Dragon Judgment Odyssey 2002
Quicksilver Dragon Onslaught Onslaught 2002
Rorix Bladewing Onslaught Onslaught 2002
Imperial Hellkite Legions Onslaught 2003
Kilnmouth Dragon Legions Onslaught 2003
Bladewing the Risen Scourge Onslaught 2003
Dragon Mage Scourge Onslaught 2003
Dragon Tyrant Scourge Onslaught 2003
Eternal Dragon Scourge Onslaught 2003
Shivan Dragon 8th Edition Core 2003
Two-Headed Dragon 8th Edition Core 2003
Clockwork Dragon Mirrodin Mirrodin 2003
Furnace Dragon Darksteel Mirrodin 2004
Furnace Whelp Fifth Dawn Mirrodin 2004
Ryusei, the Falling Star Pre-Release Stamped Kamigawa 2004
Kokusho, the Evening Star Champions of Kamigawa Kamigawa 2004
Jugan, the Rising Star Champions of Kamigawa Kamigawa 2004
Ryusei, the Falling Star Champions of Kamigawa Kamigawa 2004
Yosei, the Morning Star Champions of Kamigawa Kamigawa 2004
Keiga, the Tide Star Champions of Kamigawa Kamigawa 2004
Shivan Dragon 9th Edition Release Party 2005
Shivan Dragon 9th Edition Core 2005
Rathi Dragon 9th Edition Core 2005
Rimescale Dragon Coldsnap Ice Age 2006
Hunted Dragon Ravnica Ravnica 2005
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind Guildpact Ravnica 2006
Rakdos Pit Dragon Dissension Ravnica 2006
Dragon Whelp Time Shifted Time Spiral 2006
Nicol Bolas Time Shifted Time Spiral 2006
Bogardan Hellkite Time Spiral Time Spiral 2006
Pardic Dragon Time Spiral Time Spiral 2006
Scion of the Ur-Dragon Time Spiral Time Spiral 2006
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind Promo Top Eight 2006
Shivan Hellkite 10th Edition Core 2007
Shivan Dragon 10th Edition Core 2007
Furnace Whelp 10th Edition Core 2007
Oros, the Avenger Pre-Release Stamped Time Spiral 2007
Oros, the Avenger Planar Chaos Time Spiral 2007
Numot, the Devastator Planar Chaos Time Spiral 2007
Intet, the Dreamer Planar Chaos Time Spiral 2007
Vorosh, the Hunter Planar Chaos Time Spiral 2007
Tenebe, the Harvester Planar Chaos Time Spiral 2007
Scourge of Kher Ridges Future Sight Time Spiral 2007
Tarox Bladewing Future Sight Time Spiral 2007
Eternal Dragon Pro Tour Pro Tour 2007
Knollspine Dragon Shadowmoor Shadowmoor 2008
Thunder Dragon From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Ebon Dragon From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Bogardan Hellkite From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Two-Headed Dragon From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Shivan Dragon From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Dragon Whelp From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Hellkite Overlord From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Draco From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Nicol Bolas From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Rith, the Awakener From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Bladewing the Risen From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Kokusho, the Evening Star From the Vault: Dragons 2008
Broodmate Dragon Shards of Alara Alara 2008
Predator Dragon Shards of Alara Alara 2008
Hellkite Overlord Shards of Alara Alara 2008
Flameblast Dragon Shards of Alara Alara 2008
Malfegor Pre-Release Stamped Alara 2008
Malfegor Conflux Alara 2009
Hellkite Hatchling Conflux Alara 2009
Voracious Dragon Conflux Alara 2009
Dragon Broodmother Pre-Release Stamped Alara 2009
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Alara Reborn Alara 2009
Dragon Broodmother Alara Reborn Alara 2009
Spellbound Dragon Alara Reborn Alara 2009
Treva, the Renewer Pro Tour Pro Tour 2009
Hellkite Charger Zendikar Zendikar 2009
Mordant Dragon Worldwake Zendikar 2010
Flameblast Dragon Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Dragon Whelp Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Furnace Whelp Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Hellkite Charger Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Imperial Hellkite Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Kilnmouth Dragon Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Ryusei, the Falling Star Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Two-Headed Dragon Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Vampiric Dragon Archenemy Archenemy 2010
Dragon Whelp Magic 2010 Core 2010
Bogarden Hellkite Magic 2010 Core 2010
Shivan Dragon Magic 2010 Core 2010
Steel Hellkite Scars of Mirrodin Release Party 2010
Hoard-Smelter Dragon Scars of Mirrodin Scars of Mirrodin 2010
Mana-Charged Dragon Scars of Mirrodin Scars of Mirrodin 2010
Steel Hellkite Scars of Mirrodin Scars of Mirrodin 2010
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon Scars of Mirrodin Scars of Mirrodin 2010
Furnace Whelp Commander Commander 2010
Dragon Whelp Commander Commander 2010
Bladewing the Risen Commander Commander 2010
Intet, the Dreamer Commander Commander 2010
Malfegor Commander Commander 2010
Numot, the Devastator Commander Commander 2010
Oros, the Avenger Commander Commander 2010
Tenebe, the Harvester Commander Commander 2010
Vorosh, the Hunter Commander Commander 2010
Mana-Charged Dragon Commander Commander 2010
Hellkite Igniter Mirrodin Besieged Scars of Mirrodin 2011
Moltensteel Dragon New Phyrexia Scars of Mirrodin 2011
Ancient Hellkite Magic 2011 Release Party 2011
Ancient Hellkite Magic 2011 Core 2011
Hoarding Dragon Magic 2011 Core 2011
Phantasmal Dragon Magic 2012 Core 2011
Furyborn Hellkite Magic 2012 Core 2011
Volcanic Dragon Magic 2012 Core 2011
Flameblast Dragon Magic 2012 Core 2011
Phantasmal Dragon Magic 2012 Dengeki-Maoh Insert 2011
Crosis, the Purger Graveborn Premium Deck Series 2011
Balefire Dragon Innistrad Innistrad 2011
Moonveil Dragon Dark Ascension Innistrad 2012
Archwing Dragon Avacyn Restored Innistrad 2012
Hypersonic Dragon Pre-Release Stamped Return to Ravnica 2012
Hypersonic Dragon Return to Ravnica Return to Ravnica 2012
Niv-Mizzet, Dragogenius Return to Ravnica Return to Ravnica 2012
Utvara Hellkite Return to Ravnica Return to Ravnica 2012
Furnace Whelp Dual Decks Jace vs Chandra 2012
Quicksilver Dragon Dual Decks Jace vs Chandra 2012
Rakdos Pit Dragon Dual Decks Jace vs Chandra 2012
Kilnmouth Dragon Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Dragon Whelp Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Shivan Hellkite Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Thunder Dragon Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Voracious Dragon Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Mordant Dragon Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Bogarden Hellkite Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Henge Guardian Dual Decks Knights vs. Dragons 2012
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind Dual Decks Izzet vs. Golgari 2012
Rith, the Awakener Dual Decks Phyrexia vs. Coalition 2012
Treva, the Renewer Dual Decks Phyrexia vs. Coalition 2012
Preyseizer Dragon Planechase Planechase 2012
Hellkite Hatchling Planechase Planechase 2012
Dragon Hatchling Magic 2013 Core 2012
Slumbering Dragon Magic 2013 core 2012
Thundermaw Hellkite Magic 2013 Core 2012
Furnace Whelp Magic 2013 core 2012
Hellkite Tyrant Gatecrash Return to Ravnica 2013
Dragon Egg Magic 2014 core 2013
Dragon Hatchling Magic 2014 core 2013
Scourge of Valkas Magic 2014 core 2013
Shivan Dragon Magic 2014 core 2013
Yosei, the Morning Star Modern Masters Promo 2013
Ryusei, the Falling Star Modern Masters Promo 2013
Keiga, the Tide Star Modern Masters Promo 2013
Kokusho, the Evening Star Modern Masters Promo 2013
Jugan, the Rising Star Modern Masters Promo 2013
Pardic Dragon Modern Masters Promo 2013
Stormbreath Dragon Theros Theros 2013
Forgestoker Dragon Pre-Release Stamped Theros 2013
Forgestoker Dragon Born of the Gods Theros 2013

That's 222 cards total. Of those I currently have 211. However, I am trying to figure out if I have missed any.

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Post by cataclysm80 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:16 am

I'd say get both Nalathni Dragons because they are from different "sets".
English version was a promotional release for DragonCon (and then some extra in a magazine when people complained about not being able to get one). It has a DragonCon expansion symbol.
Japanese version was a couple years later as part of a (Mirage I think) redemption program, and doesn't have an expansion symbol.

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:46 am

Well, that clears that one up quite clearly, thank you very much!!

Hey so the Nalathni wasn't printed in any other cardset, that means somebody selling an Japanese-language version will be selling the japanese redemption one, right? That will certainly make finding it a crapload easier. Was starting to think I'd just have to break down and start cold-calling cardshops in Tokyo and hope somebody spoke enough english to communicate with me in any kind of meaningful way :P

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Post by Alien_Starfighter_Pilot » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:00 am

I have a Japanese Nalathni Dragon. PM me.

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Post by berkumps » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:49 am

Found these missing from your list:

Broodmate Dragon - Retailer promo
Darigaaz, the Igniter - Phyrexia vs. the Coalition Duel Decks
Eternal Dragon - Commander 2013
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher - Commander 2013
Rorxi Bladewing - Planechase 2009 edition
Shivan Dragon - 7th Edition (only have Coro Coro promo listed)
Two-Headed Dragon - Junior Super Series promo
Two-Headed Dragon - Japan Junior Tournament promo

You have Mana-Charged Dragon listed once in Commander 2010, and once in Scars of Mirrodin, but there is only the Commander 2010 printing.

This makes 229 different versions at the moment.

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Post by cataclysm80 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:48 pm

hunterjwizard wrote: so the Nalathni wasn't printed in any other cardset, that means somebody selling an Japanese-language version will be selling the japanese redemption one, right?
Correct.

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Post by dragsamou » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:53 pm

cataclysm80 wrote: Japanese version was a couple years later as part of a (Mirage I think) redemption program, and doesn't have an expansion symbol.

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:49 pm

Well this is helpful so far, lets tackle these:
berkumps wrote: Broodmate Dragon - Retailer promo
Where can I find information about this one? What sets it apart from regular printings?
berkumps wrote: Darigaaz, the Igniter - Phyrexia vs. the Coalition Duel Decks
This is funny, I actually have this one and even saw it in one of my decks just yesterday - and somehow missed it when I was assembling the list.
berkumps wrote: Eternal Dragon - Commander 2013
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher - Commander 2013
Looks like Commander 2013 just completely snuck past me, going to have to go through it. I'm not counting Prossh at the moment because he is on an over-sized card, but given how cheaply I can pick one up right now I should probably just grab it in case I change my mind later.
berkumps wrote: Rorxi Bladewing - Planechase 2009 edition
Missed planechase 2009 all together! Thanks!(Only had the 2012 cards listed)
berkumps wrote: Shivan Dragon - 7th Edition (only have Coro Coro promo listed)
How on earth did I miss that? There's ALWAYS a Shivan in core. Always. I probably even already have one camped in one of my decks!
berkumps wrote: Two-Headed Dragon - Junior Super Series promo
Two-Headed Dragon - Japan Junior Tournament promo
Much like some of the others I'd like more information on these - this is a cardset I've never heard of, and it would help to be able to identify them better.
berkumps wrote: You have Mana-Charged Dragon listed once in Commander 2010, and once in Scars of Mirrodin, but there is only the Commander 2010 printing.
Yes I do have Mana-charged dragon listed twice, too which I shall reply "Oops". I pulled both out just to be sure, then double-cheked online. Apparently there was no mana-charged dragon in Mirrodin. Who knew?

Well, looks like I have to COMPLETELY re-number the collection for about a third time. But, hey, its much much more complete!

I really appreciate everyone's help on here. I've been working on this collection for around 10 years now, and normally when I ask for help on a forum I get between 2 and 6 people asking why I don't already have a play-set of Shichifukujin Dragons, and at least 1 person asking why I haven't included all of the shapeshifters and various cards that say "Becomes [blank] creature-type". Typically only 1 out of 10 people even tries to be helpful, but you've all actually contributed and I just really want to say thank you.

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:51 pm

hunterjwizard wrote:Well this is helpful so far, lets tackle these:
berkumps wrote: Broodmate Dragon - Retailer promo
Where can I find information about this one? What sets it apart from regular printings?
Scratch that one - found it here http://www.magiclibrarities.net/280-rar ... ml#card001

Thanks!

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Post by berkumps » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:55 pm

hunterjwizard wrote:Well this is helpful so far, lets tackle these:
berkumps wrote: Broodmate Dragon - Retailer promo
Where can I find information about this one? What sets it apart from regular printings?
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/280-rar ... ml#card001

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The card has the astral expansion symbol, cool mana symbols in the foiling, and also numbering of A3 2009 on the bottom. This should set it apart from a normal Shards foil Broodmate. :)

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:03 pm

Yes definitely, thank you.

Also I just realized I made this thread in the "Trading" section, my apologies everyone!

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:14 pm

Other one I found myself that I missed on this site:

Shivan Dragon from Duels of the Plainswalkers

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Post by berkumps » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:20 pm

hunterjwizard wrote:Other one I found myself that I missed on this site:

Shivan Dragon from Duels of the Plainswalkers
That makes 230! Where does it end?

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Post by hunterjwizard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:33 pm

berkumps wrote:
That makes 230! Where does it end?
I've been asking myself that question for many years... haha. Well that's kinda the best part about a project like this, every year at least 2 or 3 new cards are released and there's always going to be a few I haven't picked up yet.

So I found this guy:

http://www.magiclibrarities.net/40-408- ... tml#return

Junior SUper Series 2-headed, looks like I can buy them on one of my favorite card sites for not a lot.

Then there's this one:

http://www.magiclibrarities.net/32-123- ... tml#return

Just a japanese-language version of the other but counts as a seperate printing. That'll be touch to find! Ah well, got information at least. I'll be back up to only missing 10 or so in a bit.

Alpha and Beta Shivans, Zodiac Dragon, and the Niv-Mizzet top-8 promo are just prohibitivelys expensive. I'd love to find somebody with just like a beat to hell alpha shivan who'd sell it cheap, haha. I heard a story many years ago about a guy who bought a barely-recognizable set of Power 9 for like $100. Who knows where you even find stuff like that, though.

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