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Post by cataclysm80 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:21 am

Format = Text/Art
Serendib Efreet/Ifh-Biff Efreet from English Revised
Forest/Plains from German Limited Edition
Alladin's Ring/Jandor's Ring from French Limited Edition
Drudge Skeletons/Swamp from German Unlimited Edition
Manabarbs/Sedge Troll from German Unlimited Edition
El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact from German 4th Edition
Burrowing/Strip Mine from Spanish 4th Edition black border
Serra Angel/Time Elemental from Spanish 4th Edition black border
Reality Ripple/Shaper Guildmage from Spanish Mirage

I have both the misprint & regular Serra Angel and the misprint & regular Aladdin's Ring. I also have the misprint El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact and want to find the regular card to go with it. Does anyone know if the misprint El-Hajjaj is from German white border revised (German Unlimited Edition) or if it's from German 4th Edition? Once I figure out which set it's from, will I be looking for a regular El-Hajjaj, or a regular Warp Artifact?

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Post by dragsamou » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:18 am

cataclysm80 wrote:I have both the misprint & regular Serra Angel and the misprint & regular Aladdin's Ring. I also have the misprint El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact and want to find the regular card to go with it. Does anyone know if the misprint El-Hajjaj is from German white border revised (German Unlimited Edition) or if it's from German 4th Edition? Once I figure out which set it's from, will I be looking for a regular El-Hajjaj, or a regular Warp Artifact?
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Early here, still need a coffee, but I think that it's from Revised Edition. That post can help you also:
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Post by cataclysm80 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:58 pm

Many thanks for activating my account Dragsamou! It's great to be here.

I believe the Forest/Plains, Sedge Troll/Manabarbs, and Drudge Skeletons/Swamp misprints are all German Revised. A German fellow on the Facebook misprints and rarities page told me that he thinks the El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact is actually from German 4th. It does seem to have round dots above the lowercase j's as 4th should, but I don't have any other German lowercase j's to compare to, only German lowercase i's. If I had the not misprinted German El-Hajjaj in front of me, I'm pretty sure I could tell which is which, but at this time I only have the misprint version.

Two people on magiccardmarket.eu (German website) insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised El-Hajjaj, but that doesn't necesarily mean that the misprint is 4th Edition, It could mean that the misprint was supposed to be a Warp Artifact. However, two different people on magiccardmarket.eu also insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised Warp Artifact. If regular German White Border Revised printings exist of both El-Hajjaj & Warp Artifact, then the misprint would probably be from German 4th. Unless the card was printed on the sheet multiple times and only some of those were misprints, in that situation, all three could be from the same set. I didn't see anyone on magiccardmarket.eu that insisted they had a 4th edition version of either El-Hajjaj or Warp Artifact. Then again, I don't know these people on magiccardmarket.eu, so I'm not really sure that information can be used as a trusted source. I'd buy some of these cards and compare for myself, but that website does not allow people outside of Europe to join.

I have a higher opinion of Librarities members. Does anyone have the misprint and regular that they can compare side by side?
Confirmation of the existence of regular printings of either card from either set would also be a small step in the right direction.

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Post by dragsamou » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:23 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:Many thanks for activating my account Dragsamou! It's great to be here.

I believe the Forest/Plains, Sedge Troll/Manabarbs, and Drudge Skeletons/Swamp misprints are all German Revised. A German fellow on the Facebook misprints and rarities page told me that he thinks the El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact is actually from German 4th. It does seem to have round dots above the lowercase j's as 4th should, but I don't have any other German lowercase j's to compare to, only German lowercase i's. If I had the not misprinted German El-Hajjaj in front of me, I'm pretty sure I could tell which is which, but at this time I only have the misprint version.

Two people on magiccardmarket.eu (German website) insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised El-Hajjaj, but that doesn't necesarily mean that the misprint is 4th Edition, It could mean that the misprint was supposed to be a Warp Artifact. However, two different people on magiccardmarket.eu also insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised Warp Artifact. If regular German White Border Revised printings exist of both El-Hajjaj & Warp Artifact, then the misprint would probably be from German 4th. Unless the card was printed on the sheet multiple times and only some of those were misprints, in that situation, all three could be from the same set. I didn't see anyone on magiccardmarket.eu that insisted they had a 4th edition version of either El-Hajjaj or Warp Artifact. Then again, I don't know these people on magiccardmarket.eu, so I'm not really sure that information can be used as a trusted source. I'd buy some of these cards and compare for myself, but that website does not allow people outside of Europe to join.

I have a higher opinion of Librarities members. Does anyone have the misprint and regular that they can compare side by side?
Confirmation of the existence of regular printings of either card from either set would also be a small step in the right direction.

Thanks!!

Tav
Hi Tav

My pleasure and welcome here. I have double-checked once I did get my coffee, from old topics about it on the forum. El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact is definately from German Revised, there's enough German Members on this board that will confirm if a normal version exist or not, I really doubt about it. From an old post of the God of Misprints:
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/v ... ght=hajjaj
But as I'm not a Misprint Specialist, even if I have a nice collection of the Regular and Special Misprints, someone here will give you the appropriate answer. Another card in German Revised is a Regular Misprint, the Tundra, no Artist Credit for All of them.
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Post by dragsamou » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:45 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:Many thanks for activating my account Dragsamou! It's great to be here.

I believe the Forest/Plains, Sedge Troll/Manabarbs, and Drudge Skeletons/Swamp misprints are all German Revised. A German fellow on the Facebook misprints and rarities page told me that he thinks the El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact is actually from German 4th. It does seem to have round dots above the lowercase j's as 4th should, but I don't have any other German lowercase j's to compare to, only German lowercase i's. If I had the not misprinted German El-Hajjaj in front of me, I'm pretty sure I could tell which is which, but at this time I only have the misprint version.

Two people on magiccardmarket.eu (German website) insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised El-Hajjaj, but that doesn't necesarily mean that the misprint is 4th Edition, It could mean that the misprint was supposed to be a Warp Artifact. However, two different people on magiccardmarket.eu also insist that they have regular printings of German White Border Revised Warp Artifact. If regular German White Border Revised printings exist of both El-Hajjaj & Warp Artifact, then the misprint would probably be from German 4th. Unless the card was printed on the sheet multiple times and only some of those were misprints, in that situation, all three could be from the same set. I didn't see anyone on magiccardmarket.eu that insisted they had a 4th edition version of either El-Hajjaj or Warp Artifact. Then again, I don't know these people on magiccardmarket.eu, so I'm not really sure that information can be used as a trusted source. I'd buy some of these cards and compare for myself, but that website does not allow people outside of Europe to join.

I have a higher opinion of Librarities members. Does anyone have the misprint and regular that they can compare side by side?
Confirmation of the existence of regular printings of either card from either set would also be a small step in the right direction.

Thanks!!

Tav
Hi Tav

My pleasure and welcome here. I have double-checked once I did get my coffee, from old topics about it on the forum. El-Hajjaj/Warp Artifact is definately from German Revised, there's enough German Members on this board that will confirm if a normal version exist or not, I really doubt about it. From an old post of the God of Misprints:
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/v ... ght=hajjaj
But as I'm not a Misprint Specialist, even if I have a nice collection of the Regular and Special Misprints, someone here will give you the appropriate answer.
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Post by mmgun » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:49 pm

according to this rule:
2. Take a look at the lower-case letters "i", "j" in the card title. If their dot looks like a slash, the card is from 3rd Edition, if their dot is round, the card is from 4th Edition.

My both El-hajjaj and Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj are from 4th Edition. No slashes, just dots on both cards. ( Same for Swamp/Skeleton)

There are more errors in 3rd WB and 4th German:

Hypnotic Specter, the 3rd WB Version did not translate
Specter to Gespenst in Cardtype ( 4th version does) and misses a letter in the Title
( Hypnotis>i<erendes Gespenst)

Ornithopter from german 4th Edition is misspelled "Ornitropher"

If you want a full list of such misprint stuff not listed at SQUT's Page, PM me.

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Post by cataclysm80 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:16 am

mmgun wrote:
My both El-hajjaj and Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj are from 4th Edition. No slashes, just dots on both cards. ( Same for Swamp/Skeleton)
The Swamp/Skeleton card is named Heer der geplagten Skelette, which does not contain any lowercase i's or j's.

The lowercase g's & p on the Swamp/Skeleton are definately down into the art box border though, which according to rule 5 would make it 3rd Edition.

"5. For the remaining cards, take a look at the amount of space between the letters of the card title and the upper template border above and the upper art box border below. If the card title is aligned nearer to the art box, the card is from 3rd edition, if the card title is aligned nearer to the upper card border, the card is from 4th Edition. If the card title contains the lower-case letters "g", "p", or "q", then the determination is easier:

On 3rd Edition cards, the "g", "p", and "q" touch the upper art box border, while on 4th Edition cards, the "g", "p", and "q" float above the upper art box border."

It's difficult to see the art box border on the black cards, but because the misprint is on a swamp, that one is more visible.


Another curiosity regarding the lowercase i's... I've noticed that on the BLACK BORDER Revised cards, most card names use the i with the slash, but for some reason Twiddle in German & Italian (I don't have a French Black Border Twiddle yet) uses the i with the round dot. I find it odd that we have two different lowercase i's in the black bordered set, and wonder if the same thing could happen in the white bordered sets. It's enough to make me question the accuracy of rule # 2, although it certainly seems to apply most of the time. (EDIT CORRECTION: TWIDDLE IS FROM RENAISANCE, iT'S NOT IN REVISED. RENAISANCE USES THE ROUND DOTS ON i'S.)

On the Italian White Border Revised second printing with the Bold Copyright, Channel uses the i with a dot, while Library of Leng uses the i with a slash. very curious.
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Post by dragsamou » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:45 am

mmgun wrote: My both El-hajjaj and Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj are from 4th Edition. No slashes, just dots on both cards. ( Same for Swamp/Skeleton)
If you want a full list of such misprint stuff not listed at SQUT's Page, PM me.
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When I wanted to look yesterday at that regular Misprint in my binder, I realized that I don't own it #-o , looks like this case is a huge headache, cause All Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj old threads or even on google are listing this card as Revised not 4Th Edition, so should this Misprint exist in both Editions?
Regarding the Full list of Misprint not listed on Squt's page, you can post here, in the "Missing Info", I'm sure, that will help some Misprints Collectors.
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Post by cataclysm80 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:10 pm

I suppose it's possible that it could be misprinted in both sets, that hadn't occured to me. Seems unlikely.

I know that regular German White Border versions exist of both El-Hajjaj & Warp Artifact, but not sure whether they are 3rd or 4th Edition.

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Post by dragsamou » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:26 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:I suppose it's possible that it could be misprinted in both sets, that hadn't occured to me. Seems unlikely.

I know that regular German White Border versions exist of both El-Hajjaj & Warp Artifact, but not sure whether they are 3rd or 4th Edition.

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Post by mystical_tutor » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:16 pm

mmgun wrote:according to this rule:
2. Take a look at the lower-case letters "i", "j" in the card title. If their dot looks like a slash, the card is from 3rd Edition, if their dot is round, the card is from 4th Edition.
But you missed rule #1 which is even more important.

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Post by dragsamou » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:45 am

mystical_tutor wrote:
mmgun wrote:according to this rule:
2. Take a look at the lower-case letters "i", "j" in the card title. If their dot looks like a slash, the card is from 3rd Edition, if their dot is round, the card is from 4th Edition.
But you missed rule #1 which is even more important.

"have your coffee BEFORE you make posts....... LOL.

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Correct. I have one now, and I'm on the case, as it seems that's real not an easy German story.
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Post by dragsamou » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:30 am

Hi Members

So to summarize the situation, 3 German "Supposed to be" Revised WB cards are Misprints with another pic:

Revised WB('95)German Drudge Skeleton - Swamp picture and background
Revised WB ('95)German Mana Barbs - Sedge Troll picture
Revised WB('95)German El-hajjaj - printed with warp artifact picture

mmgun told us that regarding:

Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj his Misprint is from 4Th Edition German and that an El-hajjaj No Misprint from 4Th Edition exists.

Swamp/Skeleton his Misprint is from 4Th Edition German.

So, the questions are:

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Does a Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj Misprint exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage) ?
Does a Warp Artifact/El-hajjaj Misprint exists from 4Th Edition German. EXIST
Does a Normal El-hajjaj exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage).EXIST
Does a Normal El-hajjaj exists from 4Th Edition German.EXIST
Does a Normal Warp Artifact exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage) ?
Does a Normal Warp Artifact exists from 4Th Edition German ?


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Does a Swamp/Skeleton Misprint exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage). EXIST
Does a Swamp/Skeleton Misprint exists from 4Th Edition German ?
Does a Normal Drudge Skeleton exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage).EXIST
Does a Normal Swamp exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage).EXIST
Does a Normal Drudge Skeleton exists from 4Th Edition German.
Does a Normal Swamp exists from 4th Edition German.EXIST

So, next question is:

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The Mana Barbs/Sedge Troll is from Revised Edition German, or from 4th Edition German, or both ? As Sedge Troll doesn't exist in 4th Edition.

Does a Mana Barbs/Sedge Troll Misprint exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage). EXIST
Does a Mana Barbs/Sedge Troll Misprint exists from 4Th Edition German ?
Does a Normal Mana Barbs exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage).EXIST
Does a Normal Mana Barbs exists from 4Th Edition.EXIST
Does a Normal Sedge Troll exists from Revised German (Unlimitierte Auflage) ?

EDIT: Collected these info:

=== Revised, German (limited, unlimited?) ===
Drudge Skeleton: see German 4th edition.
Manabarbs: In German unlimited only, has the picture for a Sedge Troll.

=== 4th edition: German ===
Forest (4E-german): One Forest card has the picture for a Plains.
Drudge Skeletons: The early printings of German 4E Drudge Skeletons have the borders and art for a swamp. This error may also exist in the German Revised, perhaps unlimited german revised only?
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Post by dragsamou » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:28 am

mmgun wrote: Another curiosity regarding the lowercase i's... I've noticed that on the BLACK BORDER Revised cards, most card names use the i with the slash, but for some reason Twiddle in German & Italian (I don't have a French Black Border Twiddle yet) uses the i with the round dot. I find it odd that we have two different lowercase i's in the black bordered set, and wonder if the same thing could happen in the white bordered sets. It's enough to make me question the accuracy of rule # 2, although it certainly seems to apply most of the time.
Twiddle doesn't exist in Revised, do you mean from Renaissance?
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Post by ende73 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:55 am

Hello,

just some info to add:

I am 101% sure that the Swamp / Drudge Skeleton misprint was (also) in "German Unlimited" (i.e. WB revised or the edition with Dual lands, just to make myself clear) since I recall pulling some out myself from booster packs at the time. Maybe they exist in 4th too, I don't know.

And as Alexis pointed out, BB Twiddle is not a card in Italian or German "BB first editions", but comes from Renaissance.

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