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Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by dragsamou » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:06 am

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Looks like some cards in Kaladesh Blue Jace Beleren Sample Decks cards are different than the normal Kaladesh cards (Maybe more cards in the Sample decks are concerned, to be verified, as well as all the 11 languages):

Common Blue Wind Drake Kaladesh: Additional Reminder Text and wrong serial number (017/264 C instead of 070/264 C)
Uncommon Green Kaladesh Arborback Stomper: Additional Reminder Text and removed flavor text
Uncommon Red Kaladesh Brazen Scourge : Additional Reminder Text
Common Black Aether Revolt Alley Strangler: Additional Reminder Text
Common White Aether Revolt Dawnfeather Eagle: Additional Reminder Text and removed flavor text
Common Red Aether Revolt Wrangle: Slightly different Flavor Text in German

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Question is how many cards were concerned since the Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit exist ? Looks like, I will need to create more subsections.

For Amonkhet Deck Builder's Toolkit we know about the 8 lands numeroted 280 till 287:

280 Cinder Barrens Cliff Childs C Amonkhet
281 Forsaken Sanctuary Vincent Proce C Amonkhet
282 Highland Lake Florian de Gesincourt C Amonkhet
283 Meandering River Cliff Childs C Amonkhet
284 Submerged Boneyard Christine Choi C Amonkhet
285 Timber Gorge Cliff Childs C Amonkhet
286 Tranquil Expanse Sam Burley C Amonkhet
287 Woodland Stream Efflam Mercier C Amonkhet
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:22 am

dragsamou wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:06 am
For Amonkhet Deck Builder's Toolkit we know about the 8 lands numeroted 280 till 287
Hello everyone:

I never bought or opened a DB's Toolkit, so let me make sure (if I may): art stays the same, it's just differences in rules/flavor text and collector nos -- correct?

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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by dragsamou » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:14 am

BillBo wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:22 am
dragsamou wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:06 am
For Amonkhet Deck Builder's Toolkit we know about the 8 lands numeroted 280 till 287
Hello everyone:

I never bought or opened a DB's Toolkit, so let me make sure (if I may): art stays the same, it's just differences in rules/flavor text and collector nos -- correct?

Cheers, Bernd
Hi Bernd

Same here, I don't own any Battle Booster packs, Deck Builder's Toolkit, Sample Decks (5 different ones) or Welcome decks. Difference goes in multiple ways:
Unique Symbol on the card for some years
Unique numbering on the cards
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/865-rar ... index.html

And the latest addition apparently starting with Kaladesh Sample Decks or Kaladesh Deck Builder's Toolkit (to be verified):
Additional Reminder Text
Removed flavor text
Different Flavor text
Maybe more issues to be discovered

Therefore, those belongs to the same category as Portal Alternate Text:
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/549-rar ... ml#seecard

I'm working on that subsection right now amongst so many others, and will need to create a new one: Kaladesh Alternate Text. It is not known if Amonkhet follows the same pattern. The bad news is that Sample Decks exist since 2009, Deck Builder's Toolkit since 2010, Planeswalker Decks since Kaladesh, and Welcome Decks since 2016, so that's a lot of cards to be verified.

As far as your Lands Collection is concerned, you will probably need to get some missing cards. Examples:
Stone Quarry 269/264 C Chandra, Pyrogenius Kaladesh Planeswalker Deck
Woodland Stream 274/264 C Nissa, Nature's Artisan Kaladesh Planeswalker Deck
Submerged Boneyard 194/184 C Tezzeret, Master of Metal Aether Revolt Planeswalker Deck
Tranquil Expanse Ajani, Valiant Protector Aether Revolt Planeswalker Deck
Foul Orchard 279/269 C Liliana, Death Wielder Planeswalker Deck
Stone Quarry 274/269 C Gideon, Martial Paragon Amonkhet Planeswalker Deck
Woodland Stream 287/269 C Amonkhet Deck Builder's Toolkit
Cinder Barrens 209/199 U Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver Hour of Devastation Planeswalker Deck
Woodland Stream 204/199 C Nissa, Genesis Mage Hour of Devastation Planeswalker Deck
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by dragsamou » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:19 am

Do any Members own any of those Amonkhet/Welcome decks 2017 in:
English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Spanish and Traditional Chinese so the cards can be verified.
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:31 pm

dragsamou wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:14 am
As far as your Lands Collection is concerned, you will probably need to get some missing cards.
I knew about the PW-decks alternate art lands -- obviously ;-) -- but never bothered to check any of the other new-players product. I will try get a hold of English Amonkhet W-decks this week and will keep you posted.

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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:44 am

dragsamou wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:19 am
Do any Members own any of those Amonkhet/Welcome decks 2017
Okay, picked up a complete set in English today and will go through the cards this week. Might get a set of Kaladesh this weekend.
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:01 am

dragsamou wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:06 am
Question is how many cards were concerned since the Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit exist?
Okay, did a first scan of the AKH Welcome Decks and can confirm the earlier finds. What was missing, however, were changed copyright lines, incl. a card that was not listed previoulsly. See below for details.

Cheers, Bernd

++++++

DECK CONTENTS

White (Gideon)
deck colors: W, R

Blue (Jace)
deck colors: U, B

Black (Liliana)
deck colors: B, R

Red (Chandra)
deck colors: R, B

Green (Nissa)
deck colors: R, G


CARD VARIATIONS

I’ve ignored all “new” M17 cards as well as all cards that were added to a set b/c of PW-decks (eg, Flame Lash, KLD #266, or Tattered Mummy, AKH #278). Note: Updated 06/29

Alley Strangler
Creature, C 2BB
Added: Reminder text MENACE

Arborback Stomper
Creature, U 3GG
Removed: Flavor text
Added: Reminder text for TRAMPLE
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Brazen Scourge
Creature, U 1RR
Added: Flavor text HASTE
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Dawnfeather Eagle
Creature, C 4W
Removed: Flavor text
Added: Reminder text for both FLYING and VIGILANCE

Terrain Elemental
Creature, C 1G
Correction of artist: Christine Choe (KLD PWD) —> Magali Villeneuve (W17) <-- update
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Wind Drake
Creature, C 2U
Added: Reminder text for FLYING
Change: collector no 70 (KLD) —> 17 (W17)
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Wrangle <-- update
Sorcery, C 1R
Added: Reminder text for HASTE
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by dragsamou » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:29 am

BillBo wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:01 am

Okay, did a first scan of the AKH Welcome Decks and can confirm the earlier finds. What was missing, however, were changed copyright lines, incl. a card that was not listed previoulsly. See below for details.

Cheers, Bernd

++++++

DECK CONTENTS

White (Gideon)
deck colors: W, R

Blue (Jace)
deck colors: U, B

Black (Liliana)
deck colors: B, R

Red (Chandra)
deck colors: R, B

Green (Nissa)
deck colors: R, G


CARD VARIATIONS

I’ve ignored all “new” M17 cards as well as all cards that were added to a set b/c of PW-decks (eg, Flame Lash, KLD #266, or Tattered Mummy, AKH #278).

Alley Strangler – B
Added: Reminder text MENACE

Arborback Stomper – G
Removed: Flavor text
Added: Reminder text for TRAMPLE
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Brazen Scourge – R
Added: Flavor text HASTE
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Dawnfeather Eagle – W
Removed: Flavor text
Added: Reminder text for both FLYING and VIGILANCE

Terrain Elemental – G
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)

Wind Drake – U
Added: Reminder text for FLYING
Change: collector no 70 (KLD) —> 17 (W17)
Change: copyright 2016 (KLD) —> 2017 (W17)
Hi Bernd

So all the Kaladesh cards have a new copyright line, how many of them are they in the 5 decks (150 cards) ? What about Wrangle with slightly different Flavor Text, same as the regular card ? Are they any Kaladesh cards in the Deck Builder's Toolkit with a new copyright line (to be verified).
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:51 am

dragsamou wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:29 am
So all the Kaladesh cards have a new copyright line, how many of them are they in the 5 decks (150 cards) ?
Cher Alexis:
Nope, not of all them, just a few -- interesting, isn't it? WotC does it purpose, to keep us hooked ;-)
I can compile deck lists of all decks/cards, if you want me to, but not today.
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by dragsamou » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:13 am

BillBo wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:51 am
dragsamou wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:29 am
So all the Kaladesh cards have a new copyright line, how many of them are they in the 5 decks (150 cards) ?
Cher Alexis:
Nope, not of all them, just a few -- interesting, isn't it? WotC does it purpose, to keep us hooked ;-)
I can compile deck lists of all decks/cards, if you want me to, but not today.
Cheers, Bernd
This is weird, but I'm not surprised. No need to compile all the cards for deck lists, this info is already available on the internet. Thanks anyway.

The 11 cards from Kaladesh are (basic lands to be verified). So the numbering and date on copyright line needs to be verified. * = Already mentioned:

White deck
Inspired Charge 020/264 C
13 Plains ?

Blue deck
Nimble Innovator 058/264 C
* Wind Drake 070/264 C
13 Island ?

Black deck
Essence Extraction 080/264 U
13 Swamp ?

Red deck
* Brazen Scourge 107/264 U
Renegade Tactics 127/264 C
Terror of the Fairgrounds 137/264 C
Flame Lash 266/264 C (From Chandra, Pyrogenius Kaladesh Planeswalker Deck)
13 Mountain ?

Green deck
* Arborback Stomper 142/264 U
Cowl Prowler 149/264 C
* Terrain Elemental 272/264 C (From Nissa, Nature's Artisan Kaladesh Planeswalker Deck)
13 Forest ?

I need also the name of the artist for the Jace blue box (on the sides or down the box)
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:13 am

dragsamou wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:13 am
So the numbering and date on copyright line needs to be verified.
I need also the name of the artist for the Jace blue box (on the sides or down the box)
Hi Alexis: Happy to do the checking/verification provided I get the physical copies this weekend. Cheers, Bernd
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by mmgun » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:04 am

Looks like we stirred up a hornets , erm Wind Drakes Nest here :-P

I am still curious about the "Wrangle" Flavortext in other languages ( beside german), did they change it there as well ?

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Post by dragsamou » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am

mmgun wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:04 am
Looks like we stirred up a hornets , erm Wind Drakes Nest here :-P

I am still curious about the "Wrangle" Flavortext in other languages ( beside german), did they change it there as well ?
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Can you wrote the German Welcome Decks 2017 flavor text version here ?

Regular flavor text is:
Gremlins sind nur demjenigen gegenüber treu, der sie füttert.
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:03 pm

dragsamou wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
Regular flavor text is:
Gremlins sind nur demjenigen gegenüber treu, der sie füttert.
The English flavor text hasn't changed: "Gremlins are loyal to nothing but their next meal." LOL, and so I am ;-)
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Re: Sample Decks and Deck Builder's Toolkit Irregular Standard cards

Post by BillBo » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:14 pm

Please, note: I revised my original list and included two additional deviations.
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