Population report on Alpha PSA 10 Lotuses

Tha_Gunslinga · Post by **Tha_Gunslinga** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:02 am

Can someone figure out a way to do this? I think you need to be a member of PSA or something.

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:16 pm

There are 2

hammr7 · Post by **hammr7** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:14 pm

Don't forget the Beckets graded cards, which some claim is a more difficult standard.

Post by **dragsamou** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:34 pm

Hi.
I have a look at Beckett Website for the first time.Grading Precisions seems better than PSA ?
http://www.beckett.com/grading/why.asp?&eskin=beckett

hammr7 · Post by **hammr7** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:05 pm

There is a lot of history between Beckett (BGS) and PSA.

Beckett has produced one of the most respected annual price guides for sports cards, and has done so for decades. They also produce widely used monthly guides. Their history is in collectible cards.

PSA was originally involved in grading collectible coins, and they transfered into collectible cards.

PSA has had a rough history with card grading. There have been accusations that their card cases and labels could be compomised. There have been instances where they didn't pick up counterfeit and altered cards. There have been numerous accusations that they tend to overgrade cards for their better customers.

As a result of these problems, Beckett's decided to use their collectible card expertise and compete in the grading business. Their grading scale allows for "half" grades, which provides a little more precision. They also provide sub-grades for key components (centering, corners, edges and surface).

With PSA you get none of this detail. Of course, the problem with any company is with implementation. As a baseball card collector, I have had numerous experiences with PSA. Some have been fine, but some have been horrible. My very first PSA card turned out to be altered, and the alteration was apparant through the slab, but they didn't pick it up. I have seen many PSA cards in the 7 and 8 range that I felt were grossly overgraded.

Since I'm no longer an active baseball card collector, I haven't personally had much experience with BGS cards. However, friends of mine put more faith in both the BGS grading system and BGS personnel. Apparantly cards with straight 10s are extremely rare, and command higher prices than a PSA 10 card.

Tha_Gunslinga · Post by **Tha_Gunslinga** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:35 pm

Thanks for checking that for me. I don't really support the idea of grading cards, but I had someone tell me that there were many PSA10 Alpha Lotuses, which is clearly incorrect.

tap4black · Post by **tap4black** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:25 pm

2 is indeed the correct number at this time. I believe the first piece was sold to a member of this forum some 4 years ago and has not surfaced since.

The second copy is in my personal collection :-) along with the rest of my PSA Alpha master set:

http://www.psacard.com/set_registry/dis ... meout=9999

For comparison, there are 4 Beta Lotus graded Gem 10 and 17 Unlimited at this time.

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:16 pm

The population has just gone up to 3!

tap4black · Post by **tap4black** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:24 pm

Somebody is very very happy then!

Thrond · Post by **Thrond** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:20 am

And there's only one BGS 10 Beta Black Lotus (which sold for $20000 two years ago); no alpha 10's.

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:34 pm

Where was that sold? Was it a public auction or a private transaction?

Gryfalia · Post by **Gryfalia** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:07 pm

According to the story, it was a private deal (assuming that was the story that was in Beckett Magic).

Gryfalia

WoodGull · Post by **WoodGull** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:24 pm

hammr7 wrote:Since I'm no longer an active baseball card collector, I haven't personally had much experience with BGS cards. However, friends of mine put more faith in both the BGS grading system and BGS personnel. Apparantly cards with straight 10s are extremely rare, and command higher prices than a PSA 10 card.

It's a bit hard to compare them with magic cards by virtue of the relatively small sample numbers.

I collect golf trading cards and back in 2001 when the Upper Deck Tiger Woods RC came out it was almost a year before the first BGS 10 was slabbed while the population of PSA 10s was 384. PSA 10s sold for roughly $250-300, PSA 9s for $75-100 compared to BGS 9.5s which sold for $200-250 and when the BGS 10 was the only one around bidding reached $36,000 on eBay and didn't meet the reserve. It later sold for $125,000 on www.teletrade.com Both companies graded nearly 10,000 examples of the Tiger RC in the first year after its release.

coolio · Post by **coolio** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:12 am

apparently population is now 3..

i knoy where 3 of the 4 alpha 9's are.. i've seen and held them :-)

-Morgan

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