How big of a threat are fakes & counterfeits?

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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by dragsamou » Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:34 pm

and how exactly to identify fake minagishi?
Then i'm not talking bout the five goblins etc., but about the normal minagishi.

Does a real minagishi card passes the bend test?
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I will never make a bend test on a Minagishi Token,simply because they are not Magic Cards,and Bend test applies only for WOTC Magic Cards.I have seen a lot of Fakes Minagishi,and I can easily make the difference since I have most of the Originals  ;)
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by bigfatkitty » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:25 pm

You'll know a fake if you've ever seen one as Dragmasou said.  (By the way, I got notice the Wurm token is at the post office!  If its fake I'm comin' to France.  Just kidding!)

The card stock is thin and the picture is not crisp.  Don't try the bend test as I said before, one of my fakes has a bend.

Anyway...the seller replied:

"Hello,
I purchase all my token in Japan from a local trader, all along i have been
buying my stuff from him and so far there has been no complain. I am no
expert regarding token, thus if you think mine is fake, kindly show me a
geniune so that i can compare and feedback to the Japanese trader.

Thanks
ZACK"


I'm going to try to get a refund.  We'll see what happens.
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by bigfatkitty » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:28 pm

By the way...should I scan these and send them to Ralph for the site?
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by bigfatkitty » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:16 am

Talked with seller again.  He is offering refund.  At least I'll just be out postage.
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by AXIOS » Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:43 am

i talked the seller into giving me feedback.
as soon as i receive the card and it appears to be a fake, i also want a refund.
i want the postage to be refunded!
I'm not paying 4 pop postage for fakes.
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by dragsamou » Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:50 am

Hi Members.
I think you can thanks Silver Paladin to have contacted me about that matter,at least,you will get back your money now :)
And now,Members you know what's going on with Minagishi Tokens,so be aware,and don't fall into cheap
price  ;)
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by AXIOS » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:00 pm

paladin and kitty, shall we contact ebay and tell them about this frauduleus men?

He refuses to give me money back, he wants the card back first. (evidence?)

Drag also suggested to send him confetti goblin tokens back  ;D
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by Charlie » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:02 pm

I still don't think the normal Minagishi floating around are fakes. In Hong Kong most Minagishi tokens originated from a store which appeared to be selling these tokens for a long period. (At least I saw the tokens in their store long time ago) It doesn't seem to be many people buying it, because no one knows it can be resold at as much as $25. The price on ebay seemed to be stable until 6 months ago the store closed, and they're selling EVERYTHING remaining in the store at a very low price, including the trophy they got from a GP or PT or Worlds at only about $600. They were selling a set of 22 Jun Minagishi tokens at a really low price, and they had a stack of at least 3 feet of tokens for selling. This was the first time I know of the Minagishi tokens, and bought one set just because they're cute. Some time later I checked their prices on ebay, only to be shocked at a price of $10 each. I rushed to buy 3 sets from local dealers at 4 times the tokens were sold...

And still, the Minagishis I have looks exactly like the scans on Magic Rarites, are in high quality and no one buying my tokens have ever questioned its authenity...
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by Ralph Herold » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:09 pm

bigfatkitty: Thanks for the offer but I think showcasing fake cards on this site is out of focus. However, in case Twink is willing to include Crazy Clowns token cards to his fake card guide, this could be a good start.

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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by bigfatkitty » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:45 pm

The seller still doesn't agree these cards are fakes.  He wants me to send him a real Minagishi to compare to his fakes.

He must think I'm stupid.   ???
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by dragsamou » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:52 pm

[quote]I still don't think the normal Minagishi floating around are fakes.

Hi Charlie.
Hopefully,all of them are not fakes ;)
I have personally,Evidences of  3 Different locations
where Fake Minagishi are made  >:(
I just want to remind Members,of some of the Minagishi Tokens prices the first 2 Monthes they appear on EBAY.
Few Examples.
-Angel20/30$.
-Ape:10/15$.
-Bird:20/25$.
-Butterfly:10/15$.
-Cat:10/15$.
-Cobra:7/11$.
-Copy Card:10/15$.
-Goblin:20/50$.
-Insect:10/12$.
-Minion:5/10$.
-Pegasus:8/15$.
-Reflection:6/10$.
-Saproling Version 1:10/20$.
-Saproling Version 2:10/20$.
-Sliver:16/25$.
-Soldier:13/20$.
-Spirit:20/25$.
-Squirrel Version 1:15/30$
-Squirrel Version 2:15/30$.
-Thopter:7/10$.
-Wasp:10/16$.
-Zombie:20/50$.
FOIL GOBLIN:45$/120$.
FOIL ZOMBIE:45/120$
5 GOBLINS:80/100$.
5 ZOMBIES:90/100$.
Compare to prices Now ;)
It was clear that Minagishi Tokens because of their Rarities was a Golden Mine,and that gave bad ideas to some people.Also I do remember the time when on MOTL some sellers put that on their Post:
Jun Minagishi Token Set(24 cards !! Very Rare !!)(ONLY FOR P9 OR CASH !!)
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by dragsamou » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:03 pm

The seller still doesn't agree these cards are fakes.  He wants me to send him a real Minagishi to compare to his fakes.

He must think I'm stupid.   ???
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Please invite him on Magic Rarities,he will have a good look at the Scans,if he's not lynched before  ;D
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by Ralph Herold » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:14 am

In the very beginning, Crazy Clowns tokens were very cheap. When Bob and I discovered them, they were worth between $ 3 US and $ 5 US a piece. At that time none were offered on ebay. I obtained the majority of mine from different sources in Hong Kong and Taiwan. The price rush started a good while later when Asian sellers appeared on ebay and these the public became aware of their existence.

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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by bigfatkitty » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:17 am

I did send the seller the link to this site and he said they look just like his tokens.  (Translation:  They look just like my fake tokens only not as washed out and blurry.)
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Re: How big of a threat?

Post by silver.paladin » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:58 am

I did send the seller the link to this site and he said they look just like his tokens.  (Translation:  They look just like my fake tokens only not as washed out and blurry.)
HAHA, good translation.  I just received a message back from the seller saying he would only refund my money once I have sent the "token" back to him.
So, my response is going to be UNACCEPTABLE.  I either get my cash back first with 24 hours or I am posting negative feedback.  How about you Axios and Kitty?
There is no way I am giving money, just to receive a fake card, and then give back the 'token' and supposedly get back my money.
His excuse that he does not know whether a card is real or fake is bogus. As far as I am concerned, anyone selling items has a fudiciary duty to know what they are selling, and if they are in the wrong, it is up to them to correct their error.
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