Cold Case.What's the Real Truth about C.E. and I.C.E. Sets.

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Cold Case.What's the Real Truth about C.E. and I.C.E. Sets.

Post by dragsamou » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:03 pm

Hi Members.
Since this is a "Cold Case",I reopen the File.I hope,we will get a definite answer this time.
That's a very Old issue,we have a Huge Topic about it before,but never solved..

On the MTG Official Encyclopedia No 1.Official WOTC Licensed Product.
Published in the US by Thunder's Mouth Press.1996.
Printed in Great Britain.
ISBN 1-56025-140-9
it clearly stipulates:
13500 Sets.
10000 Collector's Sets for US and Canada.
3500 Int. Collector's Sets for Overseas.

On the MTG Official Encyclopedia No 6.Official WOTC Licensed Product.
Published in the US by Thunder's Mouth Press.2001.
Printed in Italy.
ISBN 1-56025-343-6
it clearly stipulates:
13000 Sets.
10000 Collector's Sets.
3000 Int. Collector's Sets.

On Scrye Collectible Card Game.
Published in the US by Krause Publications.2001.
Printed in US.
ISBN 0-87349-254-4
it clearly stipulates.
17000 Sets.
13500 Collector's Sets.
3500 Int. Collector's Sets.

On Crystal Keep it clearly stipulates.
15000 Sets.
10000 Collector's Sets.
5000 Int. Collector's Sets.

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One Member claims others numbers,but,as today,never provided the
answer.
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Post by pickle.69 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:24 pm

Lets buy them all and see how many we get together 8)
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Post by Big Games Supply » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:32 pm

pickle.69 wrote:Lets buy them all and see how many we get together 8)
You do realize that there will also be some sample sets and perhaps some saved reject sets left over from this print run?

Does anyone know if there are any artist proofs of these? I would guess the square corners would be the dead giveaway.

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Post by dry cereal » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:55 pm

regarding the artist proofs...

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Post by pickle.69 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:04 pm

dry cereal wrote:regarding the artist proofs...

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cereal I second that

James FYI:

:oops: Alpha/Beta/Unlimited/ICE/CE = one proof thats why they are square :evil:
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Post by dragsamou » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:06 pm

Big Games Supply wrote: Does anyone know if there are any artist proofs of these? I would guess the square corners would be the dead giveaway.

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I believe few Members on this Forum have Complete Set of Those,it's called most of the time Beta/C.E Square Cut Artist Proof Set :wink:
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Post by mahdishain » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:13 pm

i don't see how we can ever get a definitive answer. you could attempt to contact each source and ask them about their source for the information but i suspect you would have little luck. looking at the info you provided i would guess 10,000 and 3500. everyone except scrye agrees on the 10,000 figure and scryes numbers appears to be a simple mistake of combining to two figures to get the CE number and then adding the ICE number in again to get the total. the two encyclopedia numbers differ by 500 and i would go with the earlier figure. i would think that if #6 were trying to correct an earlier error it would state so. i would suspect that it is in error. crystal keep's figure is significantly different and wouldn't appear to be a typo. they were either working from a different source or going by faulty memory.

if you are truly going to sort this mess out it would be useful to know the dates of publication and the source that each publication drew it's figures.
if scrye, for example, said they took their figures from encyclopedia #1 you would know that their numbers were in error. i also seem to remember that encyclopedia #1 was printed in two different editions. could these numbers vary from edition to edition.

if anyone wants to undertake this research, good luck.

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Post by dragsamou » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:23 pm

mahdishain wrote:if you are truly going to sort this mess out it would be useful to know the dates of publication and the source that each publication drew it's figures.
if scrye, for example, said they took their figures from encyclopedia #1 you would know that their numbers were in error. i also seem to remember that encyclopedia #1 was printed in two different editions. could these numbers vary from edition to edition.

if anyone wants to undertake this research, good luck.
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Quite long time,I'm on the case :wink: and to me,it seems unbelievable that a Company won't know the exact number of a Product,they offered to the market,especially this particular one.I will edit with the Date of publications,and from which Scrye Issue,I talk about,as,he might differs in others Issues.Regarding Encyclopedia No1 that exist in French,the numbers are exactly similar to Encyclopedia No 1(I will also Update with the Edition,I have)and will need to get the other one.
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Post by Archivist » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:39 pm

dragsamou wrote:On Magic Rarities
One Member claims others numbers,but,as today,never provided the answer.
Drags - Here is the answer I promised to give you long ago:

http://mtgarchive.net/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition

Please read especially the "Existing sets" section, where I quote Peter Adkison as saying there are approximately 9000 sets were printed for the U.S. and Canada ("CE"), and another 5000 were printed for international release ("ICE"). What happened was that there were supposed to be 10,000 CE sets, but Carta Mundi shorted them by about 10%. To meet demand, over 1000 (probably around 1500) of the ICE sets were actually sent to distributors within the US. This may explain the "3500" number, since that may be the amount that was actually sent overseas.
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Post by AXIOS » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:32 pm

hasn't anyone contacted carta mundi?
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Re: Cold Case.What's the Real Truth about C.E. and I.C.E. Se

Post by dragsamou » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:54 am

Archivist wrote:
dragsamou wrote:On Magic Rarities
One Member claims others numbers,but,as today,never provided the answer.
Drags - Here is the answer I promised to give you long ago:

http://mtgarchive.net/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition

Please read especially the "Existing sets" section, where I quote Peter Adkison as saying there are approximately 9000 sets were printed for the U.S. and Canada ("CE"), and another 5000 were printed for international release ("ICE"). What happened was that there were supposed to be 10,000 CE sets, but Carta Mundi shorted them by about 10%. To meet demand, over 1000 (probably around 1500) of the ICE sets were actually sent to distributors within the US. This may explain the "3500" number, since that may be the amount that was actually sent overseas.
Hi Archivist.
Long time,I didn't answer on one of your post :wink:
Anyway,thanks for this info.If I understand properly,reading this,we have:
9000 Collector's Set.For the US and Canada.
5000 International Collector's Set.3500 sent overseas.1000 to 1500 kept in the US.Correct me,if I'm wrong.
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Post by orkah » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:13 pm

axios,

this weekend i am visiting some friends in turnhout (the city were carta mundi is). i am going to see if i can get someone and ask it...

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Re: Cold Case.What's the Real Truth about C.E. and I.C.E. Se

Post by bigfatkitty » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:59 am

Archivist wrote: Drags - Here is the answer I promised to give you long ago:

http://mtgarchive.net/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition

Please read especially the "Existing sets" section, where I quote Peter Adkison as saying there are approximately 9000 sets were printed for the U.S. and Canada ("CE"), and another 5000 were printed for international release ("ICE"). What happened was that there were supposed to be 10,000 CE sets, but Carta Mundi shorted them by about 10%. To meet demand, over 1000 (probably around 1500) of the ICE sets were actually sent to distributors within the US. This may explain the "3500" number, since that may be the amount that was actually sent overseas.
Glad to see you finally came through with this info. I've been waiting with baited breath since the first time you mentioned having it.

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Post by snarke » Mon May 08, 2006 9:58 pm

For what it's worth, my memory was that we'd done 10k CE's, and 5k ICE's. I don't see any reason to not take Peter's (indirect) information about having been shorted on the CEs, though, so sounds pretty likely to me.

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